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    Roy Engstrom February 19, 2011, 1:27 pm

    Occasionally, you will see reviews of Ross’s teachings where someone will say SS is okay, but it’s just NLP with some Milton Erickson type indirect hypnosis and story telling tossed in to add a little. Yet if you’ve ever tried to pick up these abilities, say Belief Busting techninques, by reading someone like Robert Dilts and his “Slight of Mouth” book, you can feel a big difference. If you are use to Ross’s SS frames of teaching then Dilt’s material is downright boring, and only part of the difference is because seduction is more fun. The typical NLP guru has a much narrower range then Ross’s. Ross is aware of the mechanics and techniques of Belief Busting and he is entertaining teaching those, but the way he teaches exceeds the limitations of mere mechanical techniques.

    This right here and now from his free blog:
    “Why do you think I give guys tools for meditation?
    So you can create ***spaciousness**** in your consciousness…”
    and–
    “Room to see your old beliefs and patterns WITHOUT BUYING BACK INTO THEM. Extract whatever useful and accurate info might be there, then move to something more fun,…”

    Most NLP gurus would never say that first quote as it is a bit too magical for their taste, and besides, meditation and/or spaciousness of consciousness would be concidered outside the scope of their technology. But those are ironically THEIR LIMITING BELIEFS. And the second quote you might have to look through a couple hundred pages to find a line that lively.

    Fortunately, Ross instructs from a ***spacious****, directly practical, and fun viewpoint.

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      Ross Jeffries February 19, 2011, 2:38 pm

      @Roy

      Thanks for extremely kind words, and accurate words, I believe. To me, NLP is just one modality to create change. It’s not the only one I use but it was my first and remains a favorite.

      How did you hear about my work?

      RJ

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    Roy Engstrom February 19, 2011, 5:47 pm

    Ross,

    It started, I believe, with my intent to expand again, and to enrich my life past where it was about a year ago. Within the next few months I ran across some cool things like a book on Huna and some info on NLP. About six months ago I was exchanging posts with an MMA fighter on a forum about various (non-steroid)herbs and supplements that help strength gains without building size like bodybuilders. I like strength, but don’t care for the BIG look. Subtle is good. I do this for fun and I’m not into any macho crap at all.

    The MMA guy is normal size guy, but he’s young, agile, and super athletic. We had a discussion going with half a dozen guys when he brought up Neil’s (Style’s) book “The Game.” Later that afternoon I went to a local Borders to see if they had the book as I just knew it would produce interesting new pathways for exploration. I found another of Neil’s books in the store and, of course, one of Mystery’s books. I purchased those, but later ordered “The Game” from
    amazon using two day shipping. Within a week I had given all three books a quick read. After reading parts of “The Game” a second time I knew for certain that your approach could be suited to my frames far better than the other PUA bar hop approachs. It takes a long time for most of us to discover that intent is vastly important, and to make sure you want what you think you want.

    Our discussion went on for a few days while I was reading the books. I had already decided to get material from you. after checking out your website I found your “Magick and Psychic Influence” DVDs with your advanced material. It would be another 9-10 weeks before I purchased them, but I had a decent amount of work in these areas for several years and I wanted to jump back into it. I never talk about these things online or in person, so I just let the others talk about their experiences. LOL. It turns out that MMA guy doesn’t really use even Style or Mystery techiques to pick up girls. He bought “The Game” more than a year before and what he got out of it was shear boldness, and THAT’S ALL. It works for him because he is a guy “10”, and he’s involved in a current high-status sport. He will not even go out with a mere “8” female. He’s doesn’t even like to talk with the girls he screws, either before or after, and I don’t think he even conciders foreplay. He’s just into relieving his sexual tension, and being turned on by the usual visual fetishes (which is OK, but most of us want to please a little too). Can you say “fear of the feminine?” To be fair to this guy, he’s quite decent around other guys, and maybe some day he will discover you can be masculine at the core and still
    want to enjoy the company of women on their turf. But I had to laugh at the time.

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    Roy Engstrom February 19, 2011, 8:02 pm

    Ross,

    I purchased you book “Secrets of Speed Seduction Mastery” from Amazon and later bought your “Magick and Psychic Influence” DVDs. I was decent at the Magick and what I would call psychic connections, but I learned some new possibilities and strengthened and made more consistant some of these abilities too. State is critical in these areas and you stress that fact. Your comment on spaciousness hits a very magickal chord on several levels. If you simply believe your mind is spaciousness and even infinite, then fantastic possibilities open up. Backing these up with technique will improve consistancy and being able to repeat your success every time

    Although Magick and/or psychic connections can be used to get women very successfully, I feel that your Speed Seduction 3.0 is probably better for people without experience in those areas. Even for someone who can get women, adding seductive language and themes is a huge plus as it adds a richness to the process that should not be missed.

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    Simon February 21, 2011, 3:40 pm

    Ross,

    I really do appreciate all your work: You’re a very enjoyable teacher!

    BUT… I got one very serious question:
    HOW can I use the ’embedded commands’ in my first language (German) as they are a crucial tool of seducing women.

    If you want to be able to use a hidden imperative in your sentence, you got two option in the German language: Either you take the ‘first person singular (present, indicative)’ (e.g. “I feel that growing”) or the subjunctive mood (e.g. “I wish it were summer”) which works just in some cases with the German language. Which one would you prefer… or would you just refuse to use both?

    Do you have any advanced German student(s) you could ask that question? Would be extremely kind of you!

    I love your products,
    Simon.

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      Ross Jeffries February 22, 2011, 12:23 pm

      @Simon

      Honestly, I don’t know. Even if you can’t embed the commands you can use command tonality which is VERY well understood by Germans, no joke intended.

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      Michael October 21, 2015, 1:53 am

      I can think of a few more constructs in the German language where embedding works. The infinitve verb form is one of them.
      As an example: “Sich einen Zeitpunkt in der Zunkunft VORzuSTELLEN, an dem man auf JETZT ZURÜCKBLICKEN kann, ist ganz einfach und kann einen Prozess IN GANG SETZEN, gewisse Dinge ANDERS zu BETRACHTEN.”
      Whenever you use a modal verb, you can basically embed the infinitv form. That’s just one possibility, there are countless other ways of doing it. However, as the Master himself has already pointed out, using nonverbal marking is probably more important than the grammatical structure.

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    Roy Engstrom February 23, 2011, 1:15 pm

    Ross,

    I purchased three of the books you recommended from the DVDs I bought from your site, and I’m working on stuff like sigils to focus intent better. Yet I’m also developing my own stories or patterns. I remember telling stories to myself at four years old. Although I may go on to using things like Advanced SRT in the future, this is fun for me now and I want to explore numerous paths. I want to use my own creativity, but material such as your “Twins” and “Snack quiz” have a
    cool, many dimensioned effect that I’ll use straight off the rack.

    I’m working on several stories at once. One example would be my “Addicted to Love” which is about my friend named Dean (the whole story can be in quotes or even quotes within quotes), and his romantic poet ways that cause him to fall incredibly, deeply in love. The story is somewhat tied to Robert Palmers song, but this is only leaned on in the beginning. Somewhere just as the story is reaching a peak, I’ll loop it to an alternative direction, say to the early Hawiian peoples really cool bonding abilities (backed up by a book, which I’ll just happen to have in my car). Followed by closing the original loop with a more emotionally intense, deeper discoveries, and a penetrating finish to the original story. formula here is: Up to Peak ->Slightly back down, but interesting, and maybe adding a new dimension -> On to a much higher peak and cummulation with great feelings of satisfaction. I will leave these loose enough to allow for calibration.

    Dean falls in hopelessly love with a new girl, it seems, every few months, and these love affairs are synesthesiacly explored as a wonderful, amazing, and very, very emotional vacations for both his girl and himself. Too bad Dean didn’t know about the Hawaiian bonding techniques as perhaps he could have kept the bloom on the rose much longer. Who knows?

    Fractionation in story telling has been around from the beginning, and as I’ve heard you say any number of times, it is critical in physical arousal of women as well.

    Maybe one day I’ve learn the whole bag of tricks in this area. That being said, I will in a few months pick up at least one more set of DVDs with you and a couple months later sign up for 60 or 90 days of your group training online. I think you will see some great questions from me by then.

    Roy

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    Daniel July 3, 2012, 8:15 am

    Hey Ross is it possible to use Languauge pattern on asian ladies I.E. Chinese Japanese, who have a limited English vocabulary? Thanks.

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    A M July 3, 2012, 6:35 pm

    A German that ask about persuasion is too funny… btw with girls that understand only a few words is even better, human brain can learn new languages and relative sintaxes (like SS) just filling the blanks, a pattern with the right tonality and a good gestures goes straight on to the right brain, if she doesn’t understand many words you can be outrageous blatant, so she would be turned on by the subcommunication of a playful vibe and fascinated by the word she can’t understand logically. Technically when she says “what?” just answer “yes:-)!!!” and go on with the patterns…

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    Blake July 4, 2012, 8:10 pm

    Ross, I have an earlier version of both your Speed Seduction and Magick courses from when you were working with Yates. To answer the questions about language, tone of voice and being relaxed are just as important as things like embedded commands, and embedded commands involve body language as well. Speaking from personal experience, I’ve found that women who speak little to no English are usually the easiest ones to approach and talk to. In their countries women don’t get as much attention as women here do, and I think that’s why the Mystery Method relies on the Neg so much.

    I watched your interview on the Dr. Phil show and it was very much slanted towards the PUA crowd in order to appeal to the younger crowd. In my opinion Speed Seductions does a better job of helping men find high-quality women than all the PUA stuff out there, which is mostly geared towards picking up women in nightclubs and parties, which is OK if you can keep the overprotective girl friend(s) occupied and get them to approve of you while doing your routine. If the overprotective girl friend isn’t getting any attention, she’s going to want to leave … and take the hot honey you have been trying to seduce with her.

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