Comments on: Exposed: Disgusting Marketing Scams And Con Games Of The Seduction/Pick-up Gurus, Exposed http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/ Dating tips, success with women, speed seduction, mastery of seduction Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:25:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Paulie http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-4890 Paulie Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:48:27 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-4890 I'm always a little cautious when coming out and naming "real" names when it comes to "social" forums. As you could probably understand the legal "dynamics" could come back and bite me in the arse. I think it most important that anyone trying to learn to be a PUA is that there is no one train of thought, no gurus. I do martial arts and whilst my main focus is on aikido that does not mean that what some one is teaching in muy-thai or Tong Long Kung Fu will not be something useful and have a different approach that is better suited to me, so I learn an adopt it into my routine. Anyone who is familiar with martial art will probably familiar with the term McDojo, which is a reference to franchise style dojo's who's only function is to lighten the wallet, give you a pretty belt every few months whilst actually contributing sweet fuck all to teaching you the art of martial arts. Anyone can kick or punch, but do they teach you stance, body language, positioning, free flowing techniques. The PUA Community is full of McDojos. I’m always a little cautious when coming out and naming “real” names when it comes to “social” forums. As you could probably understand the legal “dynamics” could come back and bite me in the arse. I think it most important that anyone trying to learn to be a PUA is that there is no one train of thought, no gurus. I do martial arts and whilst my main focus is on aikido that does not mean that what some one is teaching in muy-thai or Tong Long Kung Fu will not be something useful and have a different approach that is better suited to me, so I learn an adopt it into my routine. Anyone who is familiar with martial art will probably familiar with the term McDojo, which is a reference to franchise style dojo’s who’s only function is to lighten the wallet, give you a pretty belt every few months whilst actually contributing sweet fuck all to teaching you the art of martial arts. Anyone can kick or punch, but do they teach you stance, body language, positioning, free flowing techniques. The PUA Community is full of McDojos.

]]> By: Ross Jeffries http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-4883 Ross Jeffries Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:36:21 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-4883 By all means, NAME the guys and what company they were, right here on my blog. I'm coming to Australia in October to do seminars and I want to be sure I don't deal with these assholes. RJ By all means, NAME the guys and what company they were, right here on my blog.

I’m coming to Australia in October to do seminars and I want to be sure I don’t deal with these assholes.

RJ

]]> By: Paulie http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-4882 Paulie Fri, 26 Nov 2010 08:33:27 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-4882 Mate I actually agree 100%, here in Oz we had a "fight club" named fella, and another who shares a name with a particular smurf. I'm was a bouncer at the time, am not at the moment, moved up in the biz, these blokes ran part of their seminar at the club I was cooling (watch Roadhouse for those who are unfamiliar the term). They immediately isolated the group of AFC's they were chaperoning, and then performed an amazing pick up getting the phone numbers and whispering in the ears of two 10's, a brunette and a blonde, they then sat with them in a central part of the club whilst their proteges were set loose on the room to start with their approaches. Me being a yarper (Aussie coloquial term for someone who loves to chat and have a bit of a stickybeak) I spoke to one of the blokes who I knew from my time at another club. He told me that he'd forked out about $4000 to do the course as these guys where the new generation and more successful. To put it bluntly he was star-struck. I'm not a PUA, I've read and studied from you Ross aswell as a few others, as by applying approach techniques, aswell as anchoring, disarming your AMOG, as well as others, are invaluable skills for me in security. I'd rather have someone eating out of my hand whilst throwing them out, then having to get hands on and violent. Anyways, getting off track, the two master PUA's sat up and nuzzled on with the two 10's, as awe-struck protege's fumbled their way awkwardly around the club. One of the "GURU'S" stood up, called a group huddle, i.e. as footy teams do, then jumped up and left the club, awe-struck procession in tow. The two girls hung around for about fifteen minutes and came up to me at the door asking if I could call a Taxi for them, something I always do as it stops problems from milling around the front of the club. Chatting to the girls I had a bit of a laugh, and asked them if they new those two blokes were PUA's. The brunette giggled and said ofcourse she did as she was not a total idiot, they were models, not the escort kind, the take picture kind. She explained to me that they were payed to go along with a "set" to perform infront of the guys. The blonde said she felt a bit guilty about duping the boys, but she was a student and really needed the pay for rent. I immediately banned both PUA's from the club, if we had our name associated with such a blatant rip-off then it would be bad for business. We got a really abusive phonecall by the canandian one claiming to have connections with the New York Mob, and would have me hurt. Like we give a rats arse, even if true, living in Australia and all. I suppose after reading this post on scams, I thought I'd have include my eye-witness account by the self professed "Best in the Business". Just be careful with your wallets fellas, anyone who demands you pay money for their time straight up and insists you buy their products before "free advice or gimmick" is a tool who's looking to rip you off. Spend time reading various peoples posts and work out who is genuine in their advice, and who is out to screw you. Anyways, keep yourselves safe and happy fellas, and good hunting. Paulie Mate I actually agree 100%, here in Oz we had a “fight club” named fella, and another who shares a name with a particular smurf. I’m was a bouncer at the time, am not at the moment, moved up in the biz, these blokes ran part of their seminar at the club I was cooling (watch Roadhouse for those who are unfamiliar the term). They immediately isolated the group of AFC’s they were chaperoning, and then performed an amazing pick up getting the phone numbers and whispering in the ears of two 10′s, a brunette and a blonde, they then sat with them in a central part of the club whilst their proteges were set loose on the room to start with their approaches. Me being a yarper (Aussie coloquial term for someone who loves to chat and have a bit of a stickybeak) I spoke to one of the blokes who I knew from my time at another club. He told me that he’d forked out about $4000 to do the course as these guys where the new generation and more successful. To put it bluntly he was star-struck. I’m not a PUA, I’ve read and studied from you Ross aswell as a few others, as by applying approach techniques, aswell as anchoring, disarming your AMOG, as well as others, are invaluable skills for me in security. I’d rather have someone eating out of my hand whilst throwing them out, then having to get hands on and violent. Anyways, getting off track, the two master PUA’s sat up and nuzzled on with the two 10′s, as awe-struck protege’s fumbled their way awkwardly around the club. One of the “GURU’S” stood up, called a group huddle, i.e. as footy teams do, then jumped up and left the club, awe-struck procession in tow. The two girls hung around for about fifteen minutes and came up to me at the door asking if I could call a Taxi for them, something I always do as it stops problems from milling around the front of the club. Chatting to the girls I had a bit of a laugh, and asked them if they new those two blokes were PUA’s. The brunette giggled and said ofcourse she did as she was not a total idiot, they were models, not the escort kind, the take picture kind. She explained to me that they were payed to go along with a “set” to perform infront of the guys. The blonde said she felt a bit guilty about duping the boys, but she was a student and really needed the pay for rent. I immediately banned both PUA’s from the club, if we had our name associated with such a blatant rip-off then it would be bad for business. We got a really abusive phonecall by the canandian one claiming to have connections with the New York Mob, and would have me hurt. Like we give a rats arse, even if true, living in Australia and all. I suppose after reading this post on scams, I thought I’d have include my eye-witness account by the self professed “Best in the Business”. Just be careful with your wallets fellas, anyone who demands you pay money for their time straight up and insists you buy their products before “free advice or gimmick” is a tool who’s looking to rip you off. Spend time reading various peoples posts and work out who is genuine in their advice, and who is out to screw you. Anyways, keep yourselves safe and happy fellas, and good hunting. Paulie

]]> By: surreal pua http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-4871 surreal pua Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:46:24 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-4871 yo that's essential-skills.com yo that’s essential-skills.com

]]> By: Tim http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-4559 Tim Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:17:59 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-4559 I absolutely love your work here. Thank you for helping stand up for guys like us. It's a difficult journey to go alone, and a lot of gurus are purposely making these experiences more and more difficult. I absolutely love your work here. Thank you for helping stand up for guys like us. It’s a difficult journey to go alone, and a lot of gurus are purposely making these experiences more and more difficult.

]]> By: Ross Jeffries http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-3985 Ross Jeffries Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:34:59 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-3985 Hey Josh, My point was(and I maintain this to be true) that originally, the continuity program was NOT part of the promotion. The promotion just promised the free DVD set. It did NOT mention you would be REQUIRED to sign up for the continuity. So it's deceptive promotion. Yes, you were allowed to cancel the continuity and keep the DVD anyway, I get that and I never said otherwise. But the way it was promoted, NO continuity program was ever mentioned in the launch build-up emails and blog posts, was it? If I'm wrong, please tell me. How much did Rich pay you to make this post, BTW? Hey Josh,

My point was(and I maintain this to be true) that originally, the continuity program was NOT part of the promotion. The promotion just promised the free DVD set. It did NOT mention you would be REQUIRED to sign up for the continuity.

So it’s deceptive promotion. Yes, you were allowed to cancel the continuity and keep the DVD anyway, I get that and I never said otherwise.

But the way it was promoted, NO continuity program was ever mentioned in the launch build-up emails and blog posts, was it?

If I’m wrong, please tell me.

How much did Rich pay you to make this post, BTW?

]]> By: Joshua http://www.seduction.com/blog/exposed-disgusting-marketing-scams-and-con-games-of-the-seductionpick-up-gurus-exposed/comment-page-1/#comment-3984 Joshua Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:16:00 +0000 http://www.seduction.com/blog/?p=1102#comment-3984 Ross, I'm not sure about most pick up coaches but what you say is UNTRUE in Gambler's case. From your description it seems like you are talking about Gambler's Stealth Seduction DVD. I got this DVD for free (just had to cover the cost of shipping) and got 1 month's free of a continuity programme, which I knew I would have to pay for the following months, before I bought it. Because I simply could not afford roughly $70 per month, I asked them to cancel the subscription. And guess what? They did just that and I don't have to pay $70 per month. If you were thinking of Gambler, you were WRONG. It just seems like you are trying to take other PUA gurus down as they are getting more customers than you. Ross,

I’m not sure about most pick up coaches but what you say is UNTRUE in Gambler’s case. From your description it seems like you are talking about Gambler’s Stealth Seduction DVD. I got this DVD for free (just had to cover the cost of shipping) and got 1 month’s free of a continuity programme, which I knew I would have to pay for the following months, before I bought it. Because I simply could not afford roughly $70 per month, I asked them to cancel the subscription. And guess what? They did just that and I don’t have to pay $70 per month. If you were thinking of Gambler, you were WRONG.

It just seems like you are trying to take other PUA gurus down as they are getting more customers than you.

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