Dear Speed Seduction® Master-In-Training,
As a teacher who helps smart guys like you get the women you really want, it’s my mission to continuously create new material and new lessons that meet the actual needs of my students. (This is part of why I post monthly video instructional modules and direct answers-to-students in my Coaching Program.)
Here’s the situation, and I need to hear from you on this (so please leave comments).
In the next couple weeks, I have the opportunity to launch one of two new products – or possibly both, depending on what you tell me now.
OPTION ONE:
One of them would be a sort of “technical guide” that takes all of the teachings and gives you a stepwise (as in Step 1, Step 2, Step 3, etc) formula for when you’re out in the field. It comes with an actual, fill-in-the-blanks workbook, where YOU would build elements of the Sarge for yourself (using Speed Seduction® as your guide), as a structure for your continued learning and understanding gained from your ACTUAL experiences with the women in YOUR world.
OPTION TWO:
The other would be a course on languaging and conversation. Part of what it does is build upon the language and speaking tools students already have so that you go even beyond “memorizing patterns”. The best way to describe it would be having literally HUNDREDS of subjects, topics, and things to talk about, that aren’t something you need to “think about”, they aren’t a “script”, they become things that YOU KNOW and that YOU CAN TALK ABOUT as easily as you can say your own name! (In short, you’ll NEVER be tongue-twisted again.)
OPTION THREE:
I COULD do both. But I need to make sure that what I promote is truly what you want. Which is why I am asking your feedback.
So here’s what I ask: please leave a comment and tell me which of these courses would be of most immediate value to you, and why. I’m sure many of you would say, “I want it ALL, Ross!” and that’s fine! I have a decision to make and I need to know which decision would best serve YOUR needs, so the more specific you can be, the better I can serve you.
Peace and piece,
RJ
P.S. Whichever of these courses (or both) I end up releasing, would build upon the teachings you’d gain through mastering the material in a course like Speed Seduction 3.0® or Nail Your Inner Game, or what I teach at a live seminar. These new product(s) are the “hands-on” that build upon everything I’ve done until now.
I think that option 3 is the best. But I must make a suggestion. You should release a product of sarging in the street with subtitles. I suggest you subtitles due to the noise of the street.
For example, what would you do to stop and hook up a school girl that passes out of your house every morning to go to school? These things are also useful.
Both products are necessary, depending on where your understanding of Speed Seduction and its application, and what parts of it you’ve had most trouble using. They sound like one for people struggling a little, and one for more advanced people.
The first course gives you a structure, which will help guys who feel lost.
The second course lets you integrate pattern language into your natural conversation, so it sounds a little more advanced, for guys who have had success, but haven’t been able to make this a natural part of who they are.
BOTH – BOTH – AND BOTH
Ross, you mentioned at you LA seminar in April, that what you need is to develop a curriculum. Do it. Look, boot camp is where guys bust their ass for 16 hours a day. Drum this stuff into their heads till they cannot possible forget it. You have all the theory and expertise that the other wanabe gurus do not have. I talked with most of the guys at the LA seminar and only ONE of them really does the pattern language. And that guy uses canned stuff. If you develop a curriculum that turns out students who can extemporaneously deliver pattern language, you will sweep everyone else in this business into the dustbin of history.
And here is my contribution. You’re welcome.
The great Ross Jeffries stated the “real theory” behind the “3 seconds rule” long before Mystery coined the name. Here it is, once again, this time off my trembling hand and please excuse my copious use of the word “you”.
The REAL scoop on the three seconds rule is this. When you see a HB, and instead of approaching, you wait until you “have something figured out”, even if you feel more comfortable, your comfort is based on a false sense of familiarity with her. When you are interested, but you wait, you inevitably imagine things about her, which have nothing to with who she really is. After a few minutes, you feel like you know her. You feel as if you have some rapport with her. In actuality, you know nothing and she feels nothing but discomfort because of your indecisiveness. Then you approach her with a familiarity that makes you appear arrogant and ignorant. You look and behave like a fool. Your manner is INCONGRUENT with reality and incongruent behavior is the most unattractive kind of behavior that you can possibly exhibit when first meeting a woman.
The reason you should not think about a woman before you approach her is EXACTLY the same reason that you should not harbor feels for a woman, before you actually experience them, with her, in person. It is the same reason you do not imagine being intimate with her before you actually get intimate with her. It is the reason you do not masturbate while thinking about a women before you actually have sex with her. If you do any of these things, you WILL ABSOLUTELY, without fail, behave in an incongruent manner, the next time you see her, and you WILL appear unattractive.
There it is, my paraphrase of Ross Jeffries. Put it in you head AFC.
Hi Ross,
Both proposals sound very tempting. If I could have ONLY one, it would be option 2.
Thanx!
Dan
Hi Ross,
I kind of like the idea of having great conversational tools in the long run (option 2), but scripts and step-by-step so to say routines seem to be more practical in the field for real life situations, especially for beginners.
So I vote for OPTION 1.
Seismic X.
Didn’t Dave Riker already do both of these courses for Speed Seduction. What would be the difference? Both of his products were very detailed. I don’t know how you would go deeper into the subjects then that unless you made those a requirement before you take yours. Maybe you should do some sort of speed seduction drills course or something different.
I think the Basic step by step for starters then the more advanced language for extra enhancment when the first is mastered..
Hi Ross,
Option one would be perfect for me: using “routines” based on Speed Seduction for the night and the day game. I myself felt the need to create routines after watching Gold Walk Up, LA 99, Fear into Charisma etc.
My suggestion is that you should release both in the same time, making a better offer for those that buy them both and not separate. PLEASE don’t make your new products too expensive !!!
hi ross, they both sound good so i go for option 3. i am from south africa and have to buy the 3.o course first,
I think that both of them will be very useful because as you said Speed Seduction is very chaotic system and some people may have problem to structure it for themselves. The second option will be useful for guys that don’t have an idea what to talk with women about. I personally don’t have problems with my female friends but I have some problems right on the spot with new people. First I want to develop this ability with 3.0 Home Study Course. Last but not least – it’s always very very interesting to listen to you Ross – I think you are really smart and good teacher.
Hi Ross,
Both proposals sound fantastic, and I would definitely be interested in them both.
Running out of things to say is a massive problem for me, but I do respond better to step by step instructions, so if I had to choose, option 1 would be most practical for me at the current time.
Thanks again
Hey Ross, all.
Am thinking along the same lines as the folks above. They are different stage and different technique vehicles. So you should release both.
The basic one with a “how to develop your own voice” type tone is a entry level vehicle and designed to get people to start using the materials so they can build their own basic approaches.
The more advanced course is designed for da poontang posse to identify with the materials and build it into ever more advanced and elaborate elements. Adcanced and elaborate does NOT mean complicated nonsense! It means that peeps get so comfortable with the baseline approaches that it becomes 2nd nature to them and they can also then improvise and improved on certain aspects inline with their preferences.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Hi Ross,
This is like having to choose between a Lamborgini and a Ferrari. I want both! I initally want to choose opt 2 because the skills learned in that course could also trensend into other areas of my life. Then again, skills learned in opt 1 may also. Ok, I’m going with opt 3, give me both!
Thanks and keep up the great work!
Karl
NJ USA
Hi Ross!
As far as I am concerned, Option 2 is the greatest, since that would help me much on the field : it’s not easy to come up with interesting subjects without blanks in the whole conversations.
Thank you for all you do and keep up with the great work!
JC
Definitely option 3. And as someone else said, would be great offered as a dual purchase.
I think that your BHSC, SS 3.0 and other SS programs that are not as structured are certainly necessary, although a structured learning program to accompany them would really help in grasping your concepts as quickly as possible for a lot of people.
Thanks Ross!
Option 1 is something I’ve been waiting for for SO long. If I just had something that taught me step by step how to master these tools, it’d be exactly what would help me along. I can go out and walk up to any girl and do what the manual says, lol. And knowing that it’d be learning the skills a bit more every day by just following the steps would be awesome!
Option 2 is good too, not as interesting for me personally as the first one, but in time it might. I’d go for releasing both.
They also seem to fit together great, so what about a package deal?
both (op3) of those sound totally amazing! but if i had to make a choice, it would be the one that would help me the most at the moment! but please, BOTH!!!
Ross…
If both option were offer..my question to myself would be which one do I want to start to utilize first….i think I would start with option one first and then go on to option two…that is if op 3 is offer…..but if I had to choose…then I would go with option 1…hope that helps… Happy Sargee
Hey Ross, i would love if you either released option 3 or option 2. I already practise your Magick rituals and pattern language so further techniques, developments of the language would be VERY helpful! Many Thanks.
well I’d say that the vibe theme and the energy that a true seducer carries with him is key on all the language, I’ve been studying some NLP books from Richard Bandler, probably you could try to introduce more of that, even though I think speed seduction is made very practical I think you could take more of that complexity from NLP and translate it in more practical tools for SS that’s in the language subject, I love too, themes that girls love, cause it’s true that a woman invests if you use themes that they love, games with themes that are really appreciated by women.
number 2 bcuz I think once u know it well its easier 2 accomplish number 1, if u do both its even better.
thanks for the tips they’ve been very helpfull.
I would want both products. First I would want the step-by-step product. In general, I wish that more of your fine products contained summaries in step-by-step format, because I find those types of summaries easiest to remember and put into practice. If you sold a step-by-step summary of SS 3.0, as an add-on product available only to people who had purchased the SS 3.0 course, I would buy the add-on product, too.
Ross, I think getting the girls to talk isn’t all that hard but being able to flow with the conversion and still stay on course with where you want to go makes things more flexibile and effective. I vote #2
option 3
What matters most to me is the information quality and not quantity.
All that is pragmatic and adaptable at the same time, it is always the ideal option.
Ross = Genie of the magic lamp
BOTH!
They both sound great! They are what I wanted to suggest but never found the forum. I step by step manual for the complete idot. I’m hoping that you’ll give some of us a break on the price since I’ve already purchase a bunch of stuff from you.
But this does sound like the final missing piece of the puzzle for me.
Preferably both, but if I had to choose I would pick option 1.
Both, with a capital B
I leave it to you Ross. You know most would want the third.. Your stuff is gold.. Similar to asking which path on the Kaballah I should take.. ??
I think Option 3 is best. Both ideas build on each other. Option 1 reminds me of the 52 Cards for NLP Patterns, while Option 2 can build on those phrases to turn them into sub-conscious ways of to think of and use them more naturally.
This is a no brainer. Option number 2 gets my vote. The real world (and especially women) are always changing and challenging. So why wouldn’t you want a product which would help you deal successfully with both? The more fexible a program the better. After all – we are talking about success with women NOT robots.
Option 2.
Option 1 appears to be geared more towards the rookie who’s still laying the foundational structure of his game that hasn’t really taken shape yet.
Option 2 appears to be geared towards those who are more confidant and have gotten the basics down. It looks like it’s part of the process of casting off the ‘training wheels’ of routines in place of a more open and improvised ‘natural’ form of ‘game’. I get the impression it would be more of a break down on the use of language and the perspective/mindset from which you consider language and conversational topics.
I’d say option 1 is more important of the 2 (never hurts to go over the fundamentals), though personally I’m more interested in looking at the use of language and conversation.
Hi Ross,
By all means, put out BOTH. They are not mutually exclusive, nor can either really be done in complete isolation.
Rather, they complement and work synergistically with each other. Each course will help the other, and the students will benefit most if they can work the two together.
Release both, Ross.
Thanks
Nice! Basically redoing Dave Riker’s stuff but this being ‘STRAIGHT FROM THE MAN HIMESELF!” I would have to say that both products need to be released. If picking option one or two destroys the possiblility of the other from coming out then option 3 for doing both is needed. I think that optimal is combining the step by step game plan to piece all of it together and giving us the mind set to create ‘patterns and themes’ on the spot without having to ever memorize one pattern (except maybe reading some over to get a feel for how they can go well).
Other suggestions:
1) Maybe adding some of the sexual circuit stuff that JLT thinks is the ‘missing link in this stuff (SS)’. So not just the basic “grope the girl” or visualize having sex with her, but having an expert (Donna Eden et all) knowing of which meridians/chakras to stimulate in this girl in order to arouse her. Doc does a short video on this where he has the person look from the ground up the midline of the person via the sexual circulation meridian. So this can be like a type of SRT but it’s not using the language patterns to work on it but one’s using their own chi to covertly run this SRT energy pattern without even having to talk about it.
2) More Videos of you (and students maybe) actually in the field in all of the possible situations that we may come across so that one knows how to put it to use. So, this is like when I was learning NLP I would try to get through the Prac Manual over and over while getting not too far. It was when I started watching video of Bandler actually working with clients (such as Andy the Paranoid Schizophrenic) where it finally started to ‘gel’ and make sense and I was able begin using it.
Option 2 is a prerequist to option 3. Learning the functiv es and then building the stories help coagulate the ‘formula’ and streamline the verbal path.
BOTH!
Option 3 is cool, but you should detail more things about walkups. For example, with another systems is easy to do a walkup because you have status, appearencem oney, etc.. *maybe you’re her type) and another stuff to show.
Now what about the averagee guy? even if he makes a very execellent walkup, why should the girl on the street stop and talk to him? You can be cool, but that with cocky and funny and another stuff wont get you far unless you’re her type.
Some guys forget this thing and crash. for the people who cant go to the seminars, they need more explanation of the reality. woman are busy in the streets, malls and so son and you need something very cool to stop her and talk with. i think you get the point. Nowadays everyone is runing their ass off and dont even stop for a small talk..
Also, you should study some venues and situations.. not every country and state have starbucks, and 90% of the places are noisy so hard to make patterns.
Wel! Of course “I want it all Ross” but i think op 2 is the best not only for begginners as also for those who are a little bit more advanced
op 1 should be for medium level students”if we may call it”
so even though op 2 its the best because there are allways awckward situations that not even a meteor can brake the ice, so nº 2 could help fill in the blanks of silence
Thanx a billion and keep up the good job
by_ Billy
If you master option 2 you wont need 1. The worbook would be better to go with the ss3 cd’s.
cheers
Darren
Option 1 or 3! I’d love to see your version of a product in a similiar vein as Riker’s teachning!
I would like to see a promblem shooting one too on topics due to age, meeting friends and parents, social dynamics etc to be added to option 1. Best places to go etc for guys starting off.
Also plenty of ss questions on each of the themes on option 2.
hope this helps
JD
Definitely both, Ross. But my biggest need would be option 2. I know all the tools and techniques and have them down, but trying to improvising them on the spot in a sarge leaves me with a vacant expression on my face. So a product that goes beyond teaching the techniques, one that could teach me how to improvise it as easily as you can [using any subject], would be dynamite.
Cheers Ross.
Option 3, I wrote to you asking how to use Speed Seduction 3.0 and receieved no reply! This product need some instruction!
JS – it’s possible our customer service department didn’t receive your e-mail. I’ve asked them to write to you right away and to whitelist you in their email account to make sure it comes through. You should be hearing from “orders@seduction.com” any time now. Thanks for bringing to my attention.
I personally prefer option one.