Dear Speed Seduction® Master-In-Training,
As a teacher who helps smart guys like you get the women you really want, it’s my mission to continuously create new material and new lessons that meet the actual needs of my students. (This is part of why I post monthly video instructional modules and direct answers-to-students in my Coaching Program.)
Here’s the situation, and I need to hear from you on this (so please leave comments).
In the next couple weeks, I have the opportunity to launch one of two new products – or possibly both, depending on what you tell me now.
OPTION ONE:
One of them would be a sort of “technical guide” that takes all of the teachings and gives you a stepwise (as in Step 1, Step 2, Step 3, etc) formula for when you’re out in the field. It comes with an actual, fill-in-the-blanks workbook, where YOU would build elements of the Sarge for yourself (using Speed Seduction® as your guide), as a structure for your continued learning and understanding gained from your ACTUAL experiences with the women in YOUR world.
OPTION TWO:
The other would be a course on languaging and conversation. Part of what it does is build upon the language and speaking tools students already have so that you go even beyond “memorizing patterns”. The best way to describe it would be having literally HUNDREDS of subjects, topics, and things to talk about, that aren’t something you need to “think about”, they aren’t a “script”, they become things that YOU KNOW and that YOU CAN TALK ABOUT as easily as you can say your own name! (In short, you’ll NEVER be tongue-twisted again.)
OPTION THREE:
I COULD do both. But I need to make sure that what I promote is truly what you want. Which is why I am asking your feedback.
So here’s what I ask: please leave a comment and tell me which of these courses would be of most immediate value to you, and why. I’m sure many of you would say, “I want it ALL, Ross!” and that’s fine! I have a decision to make and I need to know which decision would best serve YOUR needs, so the more specific you can be, the better I can serve you.
Peace and piece,
RJ
P.S. Whichever of these courses (or both) I end up releasing, would build upon the teachings you’d gain through mastering the material in a course like Speed Seduction 3.0® or Nail Your Inner Game, or what I teach at a live seminar. These new product(s) are the “hands-on” that build upon everything I’ve done until now.
I would buy both of these programs Ross. I find both useful.
Hey Ross,
Looked at the options and be be honest i think both are great idea’s and i can’t choose between them so what the hell do both !!!!
Adam
OPTION 1. I liked it because “…YOU would build elements of the Sarge for yourself”. This goes to everyone (it should)… nothing can beat our own experiences: our own truth. So if this course “force” you to get your brain to work in every situation, but at the same time giving you the method (SS) and the tools to make the road more harmonious (quick analysis and healing of “failures”), then this is the one You should release.
Thanks.
ok, my 2 cents
The first and the second idea are very good, imho.
Just as with learning a foreign language, you not only get the actual from which you learn, but also a “workbook” to help you practice what you have learned and actually see the progress…
This, in a way is the same, you actually have time to combine the patterns you use and see which is most efficient and also allows you to widen your so to speak “armory”. Overtime you could even invent new patterns or make them simpler and more effective just like turning a “I will” into “I`ll” for exam….
This would be very welcome, certainly for the new guys
To the second part of your question, this would also be welcoming…I mean it`s always nice to actually have something to talk about rather than let her see the “uhmm…hmmm…let me think about it, I`m not sure what could we talk about”….makes you look a bit dumb imho, like a person who has no imagination and the goal is to catch her imagination, you need to look like a creative guy who always has an idea or something to say and be able to actually respond in order to lead the conversation the way you want
)…
I would give it a shoot Ross, not a bad idea at all
cheers mate
Maros
I think that both ideas are better than good!! The workbook can be like a reference guide to the actual course that you do. It will help keep a person sharp with the game!!
P.E.A.C.E.!!
I would go for option 2, I’ve been putting a lot of effort in coming up with my own “scrips” in spanish using yours as a guide and having an understanding of how they work, but it would be a lot easier and flexible if I had some ideas to come up with stuff “on the run” (something that I havent been able to do yet) instead of still memorizing the patterns as I usualy do
Hey Ross, for me… defenitely option two!
Ross, I think the technical guide would be great, however, in the field with women and in life in general people are unpredictable and you don’t always know what they are going to say and how they are going to react to what you say to them. So overall I think #2 would be a better product idea. I do think the workbook idea is great though with the fill in the blanks. You could bring up different scenarios with women and students could fill in the blanks based on what would be the best response and action to take in different situations and interactions with women.Just sounds like a good way to learn and get this pounded into our heads permanently. Keep up the good work!
Obviously both would be great, but language and communication would be much more useful for me. Specifically it would be great to get ideas about how to calibrate your conversation to each specific person and situation–for example little catch phrases to keep in mind that center the conversation in patterns without seeming like you’re saying something out of the blue or canned. So either phrases that can start a story (it’s just that… my friend’s cousin said…) or even better, command phrases to keep in mind as goals for the ends of your sentences, especially that. How do you know which commands to embed, and when?
Option 1 is not so clear. can you give an example?
yes def would love both products i’d buy both
Option two sounds more reasonable. It’s like you say we must focus on structure rather than content. And the second option, seems to me, that stirs away from memorized scripts and more to making ss part of who we really are.
Hello Ross, Greatest Teacher Ever
,
I have enormous respect for you, who have opened my eyes to the girl getting side of life.
You should create 2 separate deep dive products- one for option 1 and another for option 2. If this is not possible then I find option 2 more important.
RESPECT,
Ivan Yamalieff,
problem manager, HP, Bulgaria
Hello Mr. Jeffries,
I like the ‘option 1′, because I think that small concrete steps are a very good way to get into something. It would help me a lot I guess. But I think, I would not use a ‘book with blank lines etc’. – Well, I maybe would use a iPhone / iPad Application or at least a Excel / Numbers Sheet.
I like the ‘option 2′, because I guess routines and patterns may tend to make a conversation quite superficial and not verry authentic. Having interesting and fun topics to get to know each other or to ‘break the ice’ would be great.
So – I guess I prefer option 3. But maybe starting ‘small’ as a 1.0 Version that can grow in time and possibly someday reach the level of ‘iPhone’ or whatever.
Best regards from germany – I am looking forward meeting you in london next week.
Michael / rabbit
id go for two , cuz it tells you wat to say from your mind , its not a script to read , and its easy to learn the sequence for the things , so i prefer option two
Hey Ross,
Been following your stuff for over 20 years! I even bought your book “How to get the girls you desire into bed” when it was still in manuscript form. (Wish I knew where it was… must be a collector’s item by now)
I like the idea of both products. I think it would be great to include the workbook with the language training as a way of keeping track of our efforts and making progress.
I thinks some of your best stuff for me has been the concept of themes and it seems like this new product takes that to the next level.
Thanks again for your outstanding work!
Mark
(415) 789-6009
languaging and conversation would be grate.
I vote for both, although the step by step guide would be of immediate interest and the languaging course something for future study
#2 (assuming it gives a creative base and not just an encyclopedic collection), because I prefer materials that deal with who you ARE, and internalization of skills, over materials which deal with what you DO… “Being rather than doing”.
i’m kind of a newbe, and both products sound like something i can use.
sorry but begginers need any help they can have…
Option 1, the step by step appeals most to me, but they both sound excellent (and long overdue!). Make ‘em both! You know you wanna anyway!
Hi Ross,
I personally would benefit most from option 2, but I can’t help but see how beneficial it would be to have option to also. I could have really used something like that when learning and practicing the material–So, if you can do it, then both is my call…If only one, then option 2 helps me the most.
I’m gonna say do both Ross, I’m sure both will help in business and with women
I would like OPTION NUMBER 4
which is
Option #2 plus
an interactive DVD which listens to my words, does a limited amount of word spotting (google “ELIZA” ) and comes back with
nominally sensible spoken sentences (shall we have it talk in a French accent? Scandinavian? Sultry Russian?) so I can further respond to and practice with.
As niceties, it would time the quickness of my responses and tell me nice things when my speed of interaction improves as any good training tool would. You may be able to
feel now the sales potential and student impact you could have with the direction I am suggesting.
PS I am very knowledgeable in voice recognition and a host of other useful technologies that you can feel free to imagine contributing to a package so unlike other competitors in the speed at which it dramatically improves the skill of those students you love to teach that you could stop
and wonder if such a breakthrough, one that satisfies you in ways that truly meet your needs, has finally come to your attention from an unexpected source but certainly not before Wednesday of next week.
I have prepared a web viewable product plan skeleton for such an item which we can discuss in your leisurely or perhaps adventurous moments.
With great respect,
Roland
Definitely option two, languaging and conversation. And a gigantic dubbie to get me to feel like talking.
Both! Definitely! The reason is simply that belong to different elements in the sequence. The first is more about getting started/ getting a training wheel to work with, the second is about having a pool of ideas ready to use when deciding spend more time with a girl (girls).
Quick question: are you also hosting seminars about them, or just creating a program?
Ross
Both would be ideal, but if I was forced to pick one I would choose option 1
I firmly believe that the language patterns mastery supercedes any pragmatic 1, 2, 3 approach but also am keenly aware that many men need a “toolkit” (pun intended).
I say launch them both because even though I believe the language patterns are primero that MOST men will acclimate to a guidebook step-by-step approach.
Being able to generate orgasms in women just thru online chat like yahoo messenger has proven to me just how powerful words are. To lead a woman to a verbal orgasm with just the written word is an amazing eye opener. I have done so on several occassions using the keywords the women present me with and then use elevation and direction based upon those motivators.
Powerful stuff for sure.
Thanks Ross for your Alpha leadership.
Cheers,
Keith
I’d love to see a book with all the general knowledge about women put together. All the information from the blog with examples of what to do or say in a given situation but keeping the focus on the general attitudes and understandings to have about women.
If I had to choose one of the options it would be, ofcourse, both. Im sure both will have a lot of value.
I like option 2. Rarely do things go as planned… I prefer the think on my feet approach and having just topic tools would always be helpful.
Hi Ross,
I would like both, mostly because each of the two helps in different ways. The “follow the checklist” version helps you get started and going. The language patterns and principles course helps you become more effective and flexible once you have reached at least a degree of “conscious competence”.
Ironically – it is probably the “Nail your Inner Game” program that should be your starting point! Most men coming into speed seduction have a conga line of experiences, that the way they have interpreted their meaning, continues to cripple their ability to use your material – and a whole lot of really important stuff besides! That program is probably the most powerful and far reaching of anything you have ever done.
If there is any better program that helps people get “Un-stuck” and moving congruently towards what they want, I have never come across it! Getting your head into the right place before you do anything well is a pre-requisite – and “Nail your Inner Game” is the best at it!
Kind regards
Daniel Phillips
Sydney, Australia
I like both options, so do both
both
#1 would be good because it’s easier to learn something if you have a model in front of you along with all the theory instead of just theory or description. also, is easier to make sense of stuff you’re learning and practice it efficiently if you have a step-by-step manual than if the information is given to you randomly.
and #2 would also be cool because it would be nice to be prepared for as many situations as possible.
I would actually like to see both of these offered. I would find both incredibly useful and I imagine many people are in the same boat. Thanks for all you do Ross.
I would definately buy both of these. These are two things that ive been looking for anyways. You would make alot money by releasing both of them.
Hi Ross,
I think both would be great products but for myself I would prefer the second one. I have been trying to devise way’s for a while now to try to make ss language part of who I am rather than just something I memorise and recite, and to be able to weave ss language into pretty much anything I say, though I am often finding this difficult. From your description of the second product it seems that product no.2 would help with this. I think the second product would really help us to advance to an ‘expert’(for want of a better word) level with ss.
Thanks
Oh, and one more thing…
I really liked your hypnotic induction. Are you planning to do anymore in specific areas of ss, also on inner game, self belief etc… I’d be interested in something like that too!
Thanks
Hey Ross,
I would definately prefer option 2, as it empowers you to really be flexible with language patterns and create your own patterns based on topics that you can test and learn from.
With love and respect,
-Stephen
I want it all, Ross!
Both sound like great products!
Rk
I would buy both, if offered.
Hi Ross,
Option 2 sounds like the best possible option although both do sound great .
Hi ross,
Option 2 sounds like the best of the 2 fantastic options
Hi Ross,
I say Option #2. On it’s own. Without hesitation. Scripts in any frame take years to feel natural, and the pressure threshold is waaay too high for me here… I have come to a realisation today that allows me to relate to what you’re teaching in a way that scripts just can’t achieve on their own. You don’t have to read on, it’s a bit of a brain dump, and I’m coming from both an academic and a new student’s POV, but if you should want to I think
you’ll find it an interesting viewpoint.
I’ve only been checking out your stuff for a few days. I split up with my fairly long term girlfriend a year or so ago, and while I’ve never been a ladykiller I knew I needed a kick up the arse, so I thought I’d damn well take the bull by the horns, and WHAT THE HELL, take an interest in the message, see what happens! I’m not a shy man today, and I’m certainly capable of approaching and talking to various women, but in taking the casual, no-pressure approach I’ve always managed to basically hypnotise myself into feeling that too. Turning those situations around from casual encounters to points of action in my favour is an appealing prospect.
Let me be straight, I’m a nerd. I’m just as interested in the academic side of all this and NLP etc as the practical, although the latter clearly needs some refinement in my case. As a clearly intelligent man actively using language to this degree I’m sure you’ve already considered these things too, and hey, that’s precisely what you’re doing, right?
I’m fascinated by language in general. Over here in nerdland, we have philosophical standpoints like Wittgenstein, who defines the nature of reality as something enclosed and trapped by the language we possess to describe it. It’s psychologically difficult to argue, I mean if there was no word for “chair”, what’s a chair? or a seat? it’s a small couch? a shelf you sit on maybe? Well then, if it’s a shelf, what makes this a shelf you CAN sit on? Language and/or convention is the answer. And that’s a hugely important “and/or”. As a result, the language we have and use necessarily defines our allowed and available behaviour as well as our perception … (I’m sure there’s the makings or leadings of a pattern in here
)
Back to SS, my fascination with language goes right through to the subtleties, inference and tonalities you describe and use as part of your tuition. Indeed, just through being a smart arse, thinking in this way, I’ve learned and trained myself to use language in business, and in constructive debate and argument pretty effectively so as to disarm the “target” and dissolve resistance.
It’s a blunt knife still, but it’s a skill that, in my experience at least, lets me push ideas I want to convey without my subject either feeling fear to disagree (they often don’t) or, and more critically, to feel criticised personally if they do disagree.
I have found this an unbelievably powerful tool, such simple leaders as “I feel” and “you might find” for instance go a LONG, LOOONG WAY, but I recognise my major mistake was to use such power purely defensively, or maybe just without enough ambition. I can see it’s gonna take some time to “repoint” myself as it were, but it sure as hell doesn’t feel like a mountain – it feels like a roller-coaster
It’s funny, at first I took in what you were saying, and it all read and felt so unnatural – I thought I could never say these things to somebody and appear sincere – but having a way to relate to it in my NATURAL behaviour I’m starting to get it. For me, part of doing that was by coming to realise a few key things
1) you’re using language actively and deliberately in the same way I do now in a business negotiation or a debate in the pub after work, but you’ve channelled it in a far, FAR more positive way. My goals have been selfish in the extreme. I was using language to DEFEND, DISARM and hence remove opposition. Indeed, I use the whole casual “hey, we’re just people meeting, what of it?” attitude to relieve MY fears or resistance to meeting women, but I wasn’t using it to relieve HER fears. I see that you’re using language just as creatively – and certainly more so – to make OTHERS feel GOOD. And while both ends bring personal reward, clearly the reward you’re helping us all chase is WAY better
2) I’m actutely aware, to a lesser degree maybe, of what you call “weasel phrases;” those transient words that remove the aggression, or misdirect the intent from a communication. I know damn well that this stuff WORKS. But here’s the bit I just realised, it’s not trickery or deception. I have to be honest it all felt a bit deceptive at first, but now I can relate it to my own experience in a different frame *directly*, I can see it’s about expressing your INTENT in a COMFORTABLE WAY, not about manipulating or tricking anyone.
3) The scripts you present; the patterns, aren’t MEANT to be repeated verbatim, it’s about instilling a train of thought, about driving home a technique for powerful expression that plants ideas that you want to convey.. and crucially, in a seductive way. You HAVE to be deliberately sensual and suggestive, it’s not going to work dead-pan. You HAVE to not be afraid of showing intent – you can’t just reel this off dismissively and expect it to work on its own.
You see I’ve come to realise that unlike learning this stuff word for word – which frankly I’m not sure I could ever pull off – having an enlightened sense of both how to express yourself in a leading way, suggestively, sexily, with a few choice language tricks in there and having a few topics on hand you can talk around is the TRUE DYNAMITE.
It seemed at first that this was about memorising enough patterns and stories to last the night, and I couldn’t relate to that. I couldn’t see local girls relating to that, it’s too formulaic, too unnatural, which is why I’m not out tonight doing it. But on the other hand, picking the language skills and tonality, and a repertoire of suggestive phrases out and then applying it to whatever general conversation.. well, there you go. Speed Seduction AND sincerity… in appearance at least.
And that’s why I vote option #2. a general repertoire. stuff like the twin brothers opener – that’s GREAT, it’s so easy to come up with your own spin, and I think that’s KEY.
Yes. Finally, something resembling an actual lesson plan. Like in college, a class in a subject that you’re burning to learn? Is that what you’re talking about? A day by day skill building course?
I think the stuff you offer is really special (probably fantastically good once you figure it out), but frankly I’ve had problems figuring out how to attack it. So much information to absorb, like drinking from a fire hose. Like being handed a quantum physics textbook and being told, “well, here it is,learn it.” Like a beginner piano student being handed a concerto; too much; where do you even start. Like a mouse trying to eat a whale.
First walking, then running, and eventually the Olympic decathalon. Mastered one at a time & built on, maybe over a few months or even a year, who knows.
I dunno, I might be uniquely dumb in this area compared to everybody else (cause I read all these amazing letters that come in from guys who seem to master everything, while, though I learn, I still struggle), but I could really use some sort of a regular learning plan that I could learn in bites & then constantly test in the real world with real women & build on. But not too much at a time.
Sounds boring, but almost like a school lesson plan. If you’re going to learn dancing or MMA, you start out with simple, basic stuff and build on each new thing till you get really good. You don’t start out as Fred Astaire or Georges St Pierre.
Finally, what you learned would go beyond technique, because along the way you would naturally develop your philosophy and understanding of how and why things work. And it wouldn’t be just coming from a book, it would be real understanding because it would come from real world experience.
You’re the Maestro Ross, Il Professore, Dr Einstein, the Bard of Sarge, and you were blessed with the intellectual curiosity and were driven enough to make the time to develop this stuff. Just show me HOW to learn as well as WHAT to learn.
With your help Ross, I know I can lick it.
The Languaging and Conversation would be good too. I vote for Option 3.
Id go for both.
Ross I would like those two consolidated into one package. I find they both be useful one way or the other.
hmm I will tell you that the both could be of awesome help and the series of step by step instructions could talk about doing the very same conversational excercises…If I may also add, I\’m currently studying jiu jitsu and the system of learning is awesome..it takes stand alone situations (you and an opponent) it places you in a scenario and takes you steop by step through the most likely behaviors, resistance and variations you will encounter in this particular situation (please bear with me) each class is stand alone (a pice of the puzzle) however to truly be street ready you have to know all of the 36 stand alone pieces with their respective variations, not only know them to the T, but to be able to flow between them so if one behavior lends itself to make it easier to do another move then you should be able to learn the trigger behaviors and adapt on the fly..this is all with the spirit of spending the elast amount of resistance and effort…soo what does all of this have to do with seduction..wow in street fighting as well as in sarging behaviors are so unpredictable and in looking at this self defense system how there are truly hundreds of thousands of variations..there is a way to small chunk it for the beginner and to develop towards mastery is a lifetime process..much like seduction and this is where I dreww the two parallels..I may sound nuts but I had to share
If i have to pick only one, then Option 2 would be my choice.
Dear Ross, Having purchased the old “Home Study Course” back in ’99, (in fact I got laid in less than 72 hours with the office hottie!!!) I’ve had the pleasure (heh, heh, heh) of learning not only how powerful these tools are, but how they can be adapted and applied in every aspect of your life. After all, in every human interaction you’re selling yourself. So, I believe releasing both courses would be the best bet. Where can I sign up to pre-order?
It seems to me that these kinds of products are already available, from your company as well as other publishers, so why create more of the same? I vote to do neither of them. A product with something new and cutting-edge to offer that actually delivers on the promises in the sales letter would be nice.