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  • Steely Dan MK 7 July 8, 2017, 12:47 pm

    The best protection against “getting caught” is positive beliefs about her and yourself and what you’re doing. If you’re still the in mindset of speed seduction being a violation of the laws of attraction then of course when you get any “resistance*” you’re going to freeze up because you believe some humiliating punishment is about to collide with you at your most vulnerable area. But if you truly believe what you’re doing is an inherently good thing, and you have sympathy (compassion) for her subjective world, then of course you’re more likely to respond with: “if I wanted a woman who is perfect for me and vice versa, wouldn’t I be doing both of us a favor by learning all there is to know about making you happy?

    “But what about the lies you recommend to start out things like The Discovery Channel Pattern? Since the man using this pattern almost certainly did not watch a Discovery Channel show about roller coasters, this pattern has a lie built-in. “

    Try seeing it from her point of view; as far as she is concerned you’re taking her on an exciting imaginary roller-coaster ride. This is an inherently good thing, remember? You’re going to get her to go places emotionally that previously took half-naked heavy foreplay. For that reason precise factual details don’t matter, but if it really bothers you instead of saying Discovery Channel why don’t you say Youtube… and then watch some roller-coaster videos on Youtube?

    • Ross Jeffries July 9, 2017, 4:00 pm

      Good points. There’s an inner-game that goes with it.

  • Duff_McDuffee July 8, 2017, 4:21 pm

    I agree with truth and integrity, and these responses seem fine to me when “caught” flirting.

    But what about the lies you recommend to start out things like The Discovery Channel Pattern? Since the man using this pattern almost certainly did not watch a Discovery Channel show about roller coasters, this pattern has a lie built-in. And most of your examples of using quotes involve lies as well, which encourages your students to ruthlessly lie to get what they want in life, to create trust with rapport and using her words, and then to violate that trust by lying.

    Truly great communicators are flexible enough to communicate what they want with honesty, setting a solid foundation for mature relating. And true magicians know that honesty and integrity are the most powerful tools for infusing one's words with true Power.

    • Ross Jeffries July 9, 2017, 4:04 pm

      Steely Dan (above) beat me to the punch with part of my response. Scroll up and read it.

      Another tactic, and this is very key to Speed Seduction, is to adapt your stories and patterns to turn them into a story. Instead of “I was watching the Discovery Channel pattern” change it to “A friend of mine was watching this show, I think it was on the Discovery Channel, it might have been a YouTube video, I can’t remember… anyway…. have you ever been on a roller coaster and…” (see how that cleans things up?)

      The patterns and phrases were designed so they can be adapted to YOUR situations with YOUR women and tweaked as necessary to align with YOUR truth. In fact I teach my students to be aware of the embedded suggestions, language, etc within the patterns and know how that works. That’s actually more important than it having been a video you watched on the Discovery Channel.

      See?

  • Justin July 8, 2017, 6:23 pm

    You know the truth is that I have never been “caught.” Even with women I have know for a long time who have never heard me use a seduction pattern. Unless you are being a total creep, with you energy, vibe, or tone, this is normal for women. I used to fear this at one time; but, after practice I have learned that it was my fear being projected onto them. Even then they did not seem to notice it.

    • Ross Jeffries July 9, 2017, 4:06 pm

      Tonality and vibe. Tonality and vibe.

      Students have sent me videos of their Sarges, and the ones I find creepy are the ones where you can tell they spent hours and hours rehearsing every word and trying to mimic MY exact tonalities, instead of mastering HOW THE FUCKING PATTERNS WORK so they can adapt for THAT WOMAN in THAT MOMENT and use her feedback to guide the seduction, rather than bulldoze through her by reciting a sermon.

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